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INTERVIEW Photo Stock lamy ; Jeff Rotman/A Shutterstock can reintroduce genetic diversity, if an outbreak goes through, it just annihilates the population. There is a vaccine, but it’s so hard to vaccinate wild populations. So we are also looking at how we can get these ferrets to resist the disease. Through our partners at MIT, we’re working on turning the canine distemper vaccine used for the captive-bred ferrets into a gene, so that when individuals are released into the wild, they can then pass it on to their offspring. We’re also looking at a range of lost alleles that we could potentially gene edit back into the population. We can’t produce hundreds of clones to produce and spread these alleles – it’s very low efficiency for producing viable embryos and it takes a lot of resources. We’re also looking at whether stem cell technologies, such as in vitro mutagenesis or blastocyst complementation techniques, can help us get higher efficiency rates, so we can produce many more individuals. For this species, it’s everything from using the genomic information, to the reproductive technologies, to biobank resources to gene editing, doing all of that to help overcome these issues with black-footed ferrets. And the issues facing the black-footed ferret are not unique – they are similar to what many other endangered species are facing. Above: Revive & Restore’s model ‘de-extinction project’ is the passenger pigeon A project to restore the woolly mammoth (right) was handed to the private firm Colossal in 2021 You mentioned the resources going into a project such as black-footed ferret cloning. Can you tell me what sort of costs have been involved with that project? And whether it is feasible to spend that amount of money on the many thousands of endangered species facing similar threats? Before I go into that I’ll give you some context. Since 1967, when the blackfooted ferret was listed as endangered, the US Federal Government has spent $1.99bn on its conservation. That is not including any money that was spent on land acquisitions to help the species. And that’s just the government money. This work relies on partnerships with zoos and other non-profits. That’s a pretty It might take hundreds of millions of dollars to roll out biotech solutions for corals. But that’s a decades-long price for a centuries-long solution typical number for the 1,600 or so endangered species in the US. There are species that have cost up to $4bn to conserve. Although they seem like huge numbers, they are cumulative figures over 40-plus years and annually the figure is fairly insignificant compared with total US government spending. Our budget for the programme so far and for the next three years comes to about $2.5m. Yes, a couple of million dollars seems like a lot, but we’re trying to come up with solutions to stop us spending millions of dollars a year without a long-term solution. In truth, we will probably end up having to roll out maybe 20-plus million dollars to achieve this through biotechnology. But our hope is you finally end up having a future where that species has real recovery. Thinking of corals, too, it might take hundreds of millions of dollars to roll out biotech solutions for corals. But that’s a decades-long price for a centurieslong solution. Potentially a millennialong solution. 14 / THE BIOLOGIST / Vol 71 No 2
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Revive & Restore is promoting the use of synthetic compounds that would prevent the need to harvest horseshoe crabs for a compound in their blood, used in the production of medicines Revive & Restore was founded with the bold aim to resurrect extinct species such as the passenger pigeon and woolly mammoth. Is it fair to say that the expansion of the range of activities and approaches that you’re developing was in response to feedback from the conservation sector about de-extinction? That such an objective wasn’t really a priority for them? We certainly didn’t start with this expansive mission. Our founder, Ryan Phelan, came from the entrepreneurial and medical sectors, and had seen medical researchers really embracing all of these new technologies. So she hoped conservationists were too. And it turned out that they weren’t. When we started 12 years ago there were not very many conservationists using whole genome sequencing. There are still a lot of people today using microsatellites, single-gene PCRs – those are 30-plus-yearold technologies that only give you a sliver of information to combat all the pressures species are facing today. It was felt that to push newer technologies into conservation, we should aim big. Do something really ambitious. Therefore, Revive & Restore was founded with a moonshot idea that, like the space race, might create all these peripheral technologies that are useful in the shorter term for conservationists. It also became clear that there were many early adopters wanting to do things in this space but few funding sources willing to take these risks. Not only were we having trouble fundraising for what we were doing, but everyone else was having trouble getting funds. And so we started to think about whether we could get donors not just to invest in the projects that we think we need to spearhead, but to trust us to be the conduit to fund other people and help them succeed. By 2018, we had finally succeeded in raising enough money to become our own funding organisation and we started putting out calls for proposals. We went from being involved in about maybe six or seven projects to 70 projects in a matter of a few years. Most of which are conservation genomics projects: using whole genomes to inform translocations or captive breeding, and purposeful selection for resilience genes. The project that always grabs the headlines when discussing biotech in conservation is the de-extinction of the woolly mammoth, which was originally a Revive & Restore project. Can you tell me a bit about why you handed that project off and why you still think it is of value? That was a full hand-off when Colossal [co-founded by geneticist George Church and entrepreneur Ben Lamm] formed in 2021. We’ve had nothing to do with that project since then. It’s worth noting that it was just a few days ago that they released their preprint on elephants’ stem cells, and that’s something that they’ve been trying to do for a decade. It was clear very early on that there were particular genes in Asian elephants that were acting as a barrier to creating stem cells. This breakthrough is really great and it’s good to see that the mammoth project is making progress. If I am critical, I will say that the company makes a lot of claims about the first woolly mammoth being born in 2028. I don’t think they are going to hit their timelines. We’re looking at the five to ten year range for gene-edited black-footed ferrets and having actual gene-editing organisms in nature. Because Asian elephants are endangered, Colossal is not using female individuals as surrogates, so they have a lot of innovative technology they need to create. Also, it’s not going to be a woolly mammoth, is it? It will be an elephant with some mammoth genes. It’s not genealogically a mammoth. It’s something that’s coming from the lineage Vol 71 No 2 / THE BIOLOGIST / 15

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Shutterstock can reintroduce genetic diversity, if an outbreak goes through, it just annihilates the population. There is a vaccine, but it’s so hard to vaccinate wild populations. So we are also looking at how we can get these ferrets to resist the disease. Through our partners at MIT, we’re working on turning the canine distemper vaccine used for the captive-bred ferrets into a gene, so that when individuals are released into the wild, they can then pass it on to their offspring. We’re also looking at a range of lost alleles that we could potentially gene edit back into the population. We can’t produce hundreds of clones to produce and spread these alleles – it’s very low efficiency for producing viable embryos and it takes a lot of resources. We’re also looking at whether stem cell technologies, such as in vitro mutagenesis or blastocyst complementation techniques, can help us get higher efficiency rates, so we can produce many more individuals.

For this species, it’s everything from using the genomic information, to the reproductive technologies, to biobank resources to gene editing, doing all of that to help overcome these issues with black-footed ferrets. And the issues facing the black-footed ferret are not unique – they are similar to what many other endangered species are facing.

Above: Revive & Restore’s model ‘de-extinction project’ is the passenger pigeon

A project to restore the woolly mammoth (right) was handed to the private firm Colossal in 2021

You mentioned the resources going into a project such as black-footed ferret cloning. Can you tell me what sort of costs have been involved with that project? And whether it is feasible to spend that amount of money on the many thousands of endangered species facing similar threats? Before I go into that I’ll give you some context. Since 1967, when the blackfooted ferret was listed as endangered, the US Federal Government has spent $1.99bn on its conservation. That is not including any money that was spent on land acquisitions to help the species. And that’s just the government money. This work relies on partnerships with zoos and other non-profits. That’s a pretty

It might take hundreds of millions of dollars to roll out biotech solutions for corals. But that’s a decades-long price for a centuries-long solution typical number for the 1,600 or so endangered species in the US. There are species that have cost up to $4bn to conserve. Although they seem like huge numbers, they are cumulative figures over 40-plus years and annually the figure is fairly insignificant compared with total US government spending.

Our budget for the programme so far and for the next three years comes to about $2.5m. Yes, a couple of million dollars seems like a lot, but we’re trying to come up with solutions to stop us spending millions of dollars a year without a long-term solution.

In truth, we will probably end up having to roll out maybe 20-plus million dollars to achieve this through biotechnology. But our hope is you finally end up having a future where that species has real recovery.

Thinking of corals, too, it might take hundreds of millions of dollars to roll out biotech solutions for corals. But that’s a decades-long price for a centurieslong solution. Potentially a millennialong solution.

14 / THE BIOLOGIST / Vol 71 No 2

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