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Diary The Davos-defying Dutch historian Rutger Bregman on protests, taxes and why his latest book was misunderstood
Some people have said that my new book Humankind argues that we are naturally good or that we’re born to be good. But that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that people have evolved to be friendly; that, deep down, we’re pretty decent, which is not the same as being an actual good person. That is much harder.
If you live in a normal, healthy society – like, say, Sweden – right now, then you don’t need a lot of heroes. You don’t need a lot of really good people. Just average nice, decent people are enough. Because you just have sensible laws and procedures, things are going to work out all right.
History is the most subversive of all the social sciences. It just shows you that things can be different. There’s nothing inevitable about the way we structure our economy and society right now – it can all change, and it used to be very different. That is the same with hope.
I’d like to make a distinction between hope and optimism. Optimism is that worldview where you feel that things will turn out to be all right and we can just sit back and enjoy the ride. Look at the graphs: the decline of extreme poverty, child mortality. We are richer, we are healthier and wealthier than ever. That is the optimist’s worldview. I think hope is much more about possibilities. Things can get much worse. We can see that happening before our eyes. Look at the situation in the US: you have a country that not very long ago was trying to make the world safe for democracy by invading other countries. Now it has to worry about its own democracy. That would have been unimaginable not very long ago. But it also works in the other direction. In the past ten years, ideas that used to be dismissed as crazy have been moving into the mainstream.
One fascinating recent moment was when the Financial Times ran an editorial where they said we need to reverse the policy direction of the past 40 years. That gives me hope, but it doesn’t give me any confidence that things are going to turn out to be all right. I think that optimism makes you a bit lazy, and hope tells you to act.
When I was at university in the Netherlands, and in the US at UCLA, one of the things that I would
I think that optimism makes you a bit lazy, and hope tells you to act write about was why my generation wouldn’t go out and protest. I was sort of trying to say: ‘Well, we do care, but it’s just not our thing, we don’t really go out in the streets.’ That sounds completely ridiculous right now. Ten years later, we’re seeing the biggest protests in the history of the United States. The Black Lives Matter movement reverberated around the globe. The same is true for the climate justice movement.
Crises tend to expose things that we’ve always known but now become really clear. So one of the most interesting moments was when governments around the world started publishing these lists of so-called essential workers. This makes you think: ‘Who are the real wealth- creators in this world and society?’ Sometimes it seems as if we live in this upside-down world, where the people who do the most valuable work are paid less than those who do the more expendable work.
My previous book [Utopia for Realists] had a lot of fun looking into whether there’s ever been a strike of bankers. In all of world history I could find only one example: striking bankers in Ireland in the 1970s. The bankers were really angry that their wages were not keeping up with inflation. They said: ‘You know what? We’re going to go on strike.’ They went on strike, the strike lasted for six months, and nothing really happened. Bankers got back to work.
I’m really glad that taxes have become much more of a political subject. Ten or 15 years ago, the tax evasion industry was already huge and very few people were talking about it. It wasn’t a subject that came up at elections. And now we’ve seen Trump’s tax returns.
I think that we should focus more on taxes and I think that is happening. In the Eighties and Nineties it was the era where we said that greed is good and paying taxes was not really something to be proud of. I think that now we’re moving into an era where public service becomes more important, and where even if you evade your taxes, you’re not going to brag about it at a birthday party or something like that. That’s a real generational shift. S As told to Arun Kakar