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W After Tony Harrison caitlin stobie 5 2 P o e m s / S t o b i e Last May I cycled to the cemetery to see old graffiti, the Vs, your task. All I found was dog shit and dried lilies, then drifting litter: a surgical mask. Who am I to write this reply? Thin slices of an accent, southerner by way of Africa: best believe I, too, hate grave advice from foreigners. But someone has to start with the questions. Again I try, fail, trying to go on. Each year brings more floods and man-made seasons; what if we united, but did it wrong? Walking long ago, counting cracks, I asked Why’s the street wet? to a boy from a band. He pointed his free hand. A drunk’s turned back. If you were a man, love, you’d understand. On Saturdays all men came out alleys to grope the slippery centre of Leeds. The city’s never been so lively we chanted, dodging vomit every week. Tony, you know what’s meant when I say ‘all’ and ‘men’. For in the Brude and Chunk you’d see – even in Wharf’s safest toilet stall – them slits slashed clean between two widened Vs. In ’85 it was swear words lads sprayed round town. Now ‘cunt’ is on discount, reduced. ‘The versuses of life’, ‘man and wife’: splayed like legs in the cubicle W. They say in Shakespeare’s day, ‘cunt’ was ‘nothing’. Lately, the male organ’s tune is the same. Why else, when we protest, would some men sing Not all? Their chorus is not to complain. Worse still are the racists, the EDL with their own slogans of ‘nothing’ and ‘not’. All lives matter, they say, but they fear hell is other people talking, taking their lot. In the year of the rat, trafficked pangolins and bats, lines between species were ever troubling and as humans destroyed their habitats the Vs and our visions were doubling. It should not have taken a pandemic to see that we need to set this right. Yet between the blurring Vs came an epic chorus chiming Not all! and Mine! Mine! Mine! When you can’t walk at night without keys between your fists, what do you rhyme that with? Where can you wander without watchmen if you’re Black? (The chorus warbles: Not all! Mine! Mine! Mine!) We bicker and consumerist excess continues, the Vs are Ws, too many to write – when that man said You wouldn’t understand, why did I not drop his hand? Last May, I traced letters on graves. Cee, u, en, tee. Much ado about the bard, in your poem, Tony, but Shakespeare leads to one more query: if ‘nothing’ is sacred, then what does that make me? Laughter bloomed. You – you stupid animals, cats-ears nodded as if to say, you’re nowt special. Blood, meat, bones, minerals: all beasts turn to feed when they decay. Then it hit me: the double-u in nowt. Same as millennials’ scrawl in toilets, but the slashed command signified now both\holy/everything\and/jack-shit. Like headstones leaning together, four lines in a consonant, a cuss, or a poem may remind us of the beasts inside – or so I liked to hum as I headed home. So home I ride – for some of us never felt safe outside, for I am no bride, no double you see (in my head the man says, ’n anyway, love, how’s about you make tea). No. Home to a room and view of my own, to the place where I grandmother myself. I doze in a rented room, alone, old words of new worlds lining my bookshelf. Reader, how will Leeds look next year? When do death-tolls become a wake-up call? When we rebuild, will we remember nowt? Will nothing have changed at all?
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André Naffis-Sahely in conversation rory waterman Waterman: You live in the USA, and you’re married to an American, yet in one recent poem you write: ‘how strange it is that it’s here, / where after a decade of rootlessness, // I abandon all cravings for permanence…’, which does not imply a settled spirit. What is your relationship to your current homeland? Has it at least been fertile ground for your poetry, do you think? Naffis-Sahely: I’m a citizen of the world, not that citizenship is a political construct that satisfies our needs and aspirations. I cannot think of a single nation-state that hasn’t persistently betrayed even its most loyal citizens, even when it pretends to include them: ‘America never was America to me’, Langston Hughes once wrote. The two cities that dominated my perspective and growth as a child and adolescent were Venice and Abu Dhabi, neither of which truly accepted me as one of their own. After dispatching its sons and daughters to the far corners of the world in search of profit for the entirety of its history, the Most Serene city of Venice is now childless, having priced nearly everyone out of the islands and into the mainland. Abu Dhabi’s princes, on the other hand, consider 9 out of 10 of the people within their borders as disposable servants and I’ve written about that extensively. Despite a very happy twelve-year spell in the UK, recent political changes have made it abundantly clear that foreigners of my ilk are no longer tolerated. I moved to the US to be with my partner, who could not afford to move to Europe at the time we decided to be together. Following a spur of the moment decision, we found ourselves in California, whose hidden histories of racial and labour repression have attracted my interest and I have found my time in the American West intellectually fulfilling. However, my current ‘homeland’ has spent years running my name through terrorist databases and going through my mail. Let’s not even mention the lengthy interviews by Immigration and the extended detentions. All that being said, I’m one of the lucky ones. W: What ‘recent political changes’ in the UK? What do you mean by ‘my ilk’? Do you really think you’d now be treated differently than you were if you still lived in the UK? N-S: I’m talking about Brexit and the decision made by the thinnest of margins to leave the European Union. EU membership is clearly not universally positive and the institution is crying out for reforms – the lack of censure against the horrific policies put in place by Poland and Hungary’s governments being a good case in point – but watching the insular dregs of the old Empire muling about ‘imported labour’ has been nothing short of revolting, especially since half of London has been sold off to rich foreigners. Right now I’m applying to the EU Settlement Scheme and the process is needlessly com- plicated. I imagine my Middle Eastern background (my ilk) will complicate the process, as it has everywhere else. An American friend of my wife’s married an Irishman and he got his green card in two years. My process took five and half even though I too travel on an EU passport (Italian). There’s a reason I get screened by Homeland Security in London. W: To what extent did this feeling that you are unrooted – albeit ‘one of the lucky ones’ – inspire you to edit The Heart of a Stranger: An Anthology of Exile Literature (Pushkin Press, 2020)? N-S: Exiles of one kind or another have shaped the arc of my family tree as far back as I can tell. While one of my great-great-grandfathers fled Baku in the wake of Stalin’s communist takeover in 1917, relocating to the Iranian shores of the Caspian Sea, my father would later be exiled from Iran precisely for being a communist. Tales of exile tend to have a way of revealing history’s subtle ironies and my intentions with The Heart of a Stranger were to showcase the dizzying wealth of literature produced by exiles, from ancient Egypt to the present, and open a window into the phenomenon of displacement across different cultures, religions, historical periods and political affiliations. Although the Ovidian conception of exile has taught us to see the ‘Exile’ as a withered husk forever longing for the branch it was unhappily torn from, I wanted to showcase an alternative genealogy of misfits, rebels, heretics, contrarians, activists and revolutionaries. Exile, this anthology argues, can be defiant, bold and uncompromising, examples set by the French communard Louise Michel on her way to the penal colony in New Caledonia; or Emma Goldman’s defiance aboard the USS Buford as she was deported from the United States a century ago during the First Red Scare. In the more contemporary sections of the book, I opted to foreground texts that explicitly rejected the classificational fetishism that has jeopardised our ability to discuss so-called refugees, migrants, and asylum seekers as actual people, rather than case studies. Assuming that people can be neutrally assigned dehumanising categories is a dangerous gamble. The citizens of today can very quickly become the refugees of tomorrow. 5 3 F e a t u r e s / W a t e r m a n / N a f f i s S a h e l y W: Your poetic life centres on Britain: your debut collection, The Promised Land: Poems from Itinerant Life, was published here by Penguin in 2017, you’ve just served as Ambit’s poetry editor for three years, and you have now become the editor of Poetry London. I know you initially came to Britain to study, but do you feel a particularly strong connection to contemporary British poetry, if not to policy? Or is this just how things have panned out?

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S t o b i e

Last May I cycled to the cemetery to see old graffiti, the Vs, your task. All I found was dog shit and dried lilies, then drifting litter: a surgical mask.

Who am I to write this reply? Thin slices of an accent, southerner by way of Africa: best believe I, too, hate grave advice from foreigners.

But someone has to start with the questions. Again I try, fail, trying to go on. Each year brings more floods and man-made seasons; what if we united, but did it wrong?

Walking long ago, counting cracks, I asked Why’s the street wet? to a boy from a band. He pointed his free hand. A drunk’s turned back. If you were a man, love, you’d understand.

On Saturdays all men came out alleys to grope the slippery centre of Leeds. The city’s never been so lively we chanted, dodging vomit every week.

Tony, you know what’s meant when I say ‘all’ and ‘men’. For in the Brude and Chunk you’d see – even in Wharf’s safest toilet stall –

them slits slashed clean between two widened Vs.

In ’85 it was swear words lads sprayed round town. Now ‘cunt’ is on discount, reduced. ‘The versuses of life’, ‘man and wife’: splayed like legs in the cubicle W.

They say in Shakespeare’s day, ‘cunt’ was ‘nothing’. Lately, the male organ’s tune is the same. Why else, when we protest, would some men sing Not all? Their chorus is not to complain.

Worse still are the racists, the EDL with their own slogans of ‘nothing’ and ‘not’. All lives matter, they say, but they fear hell is other people talking, taking their lot.

In the year of the rat, trafficked pangolins and bats, lines between species were ever troubling and as humans destroyed their habitats the Vs and our visions were doubling.

It should not have taken a pandemic to see that we need to set this right. Yet between the blurring Vs came an epic chorus chiming Not all! and Mine! Mine! Mine!

When you can’t walk at night without keys between your fists, what do you rhyme that with? Where can you wander without watchmen if you’re

Black? (The chorus warbles: Not all! Mine! Mine! Mine!)

We bicker and consumerist excess continues, the Vs are Ws, too many to write – when that man said You wouldn’t understand, why did I not drop his hand?

Last May, I traced letters on graves. Cee, u, en, tee. Much ado about the bard, in your poem, Tony, but Shakespeare leads to one more query: if ‘nothing’ is sacred, then what does that make me?

Laughter bloomed. You – you stupid animals, cats-ears nodded as if to say, you’re nowt special. Blood, meat, bones, minerals: all beasts turn to feed when they decay.

Then it hit me: the double-u in nowt. Same as millennials’ scrawl in toilets, but the slashed command signified now both\holy/everything\and/jack-shit.

Like headstones leaning together, four lines in a consonant, a cuss, or a poem may remind us of the beasts inside – or so I liked to hum as I headed home.

So home I ride – for some of us never felt safe outside, for I am no bride, no double you see (in my head the man says, ’n anyway, love, how’s about you make tea).

No. Home to a room and view of my own, to the place where I grandmother myself. I doze in a rented room, alone, old words of new worlds lining my bookshelf.

Reader, how will Leeds look next year? When do death-tolls become a wake-up call? When we rebuild, will we remember nowt? Will nothing have changed at all?

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